In episode 224, Dan and Michael chat with Rob Martinelle about his new TRSE article titled, “Back then, over there, never here, never now: Fascism according to K–12 social studies standards.”

Transcript 

Books, Articles and Other Amazing Resources

1. Martinelle, R., Funk, L., & Lake, J. (2026). Back then, over there, never here, never now: Fascism according to K–12 social studies standards. Theory & Research in Social Education, 1-30.
2. Vavrus, M. (2022). Teaching anti-fascism: A critical multicultural pedagogy for civic engagement. Teachers College Press.
3. Dan mentioned that Dan McQuillan defines fascism as “palingenetic ultranationalism” on  page 6 of his 2022 book, “Resisting AI: An Anti-fascist Approach to Artificial Intelligence.”
4. Albright, M. (2018). Fascism: A warning. HarperCollins.
5. DiMaggio, A. (2021). Rising fascism in America: It can happen here. Routledge.
6. Here are some of Rob’s recommended reads:
   • Zembylas, M. (2021). Affect, biopower, and ‘the fascist inside you’: the (Un-) making of microfascism in schools and classrooms. Journal of Curriculum Studies, 53(1), 1-15. https://doi.org/10.1080/00220272.2020.1810780 
   • Eco, U. (1995/2024). Ur-fascism. In D. Steinmetz-Jenkins (Ed.), Did it happen here? Perspectives on fascism and America (pp. 35-49). W. W. Norton & Company. 
   • Churchwell, S. (2024). American fascism: It has happened here. In D. Steinmetz-Jenkins (Ed.), Did it happen here? Perspectives on fascism and America (pp. 135-148). W. W. Norton & Company. 
   • Stanley, J. (2020). How fascism works: The politics of us and them. Random House Trade Paperbacks.
   • Hope, J. K., & Mullen, B. V. (2024). The Black antifascist tradition: Fighting back from anti-lynching to abolition. Haymarket Books. 

Biography

Rob Martinelle is an Associate Professor of Secondary Social Studies and Teacher Education at the University of Rhode Island. His research interests lie at the intersection of reflective practice and critical social studies teacher education. He is the author of two forthcoming books, Navigating Tensions in Critical Social Studies: Teaching for a More Just Democracy (with Chris Martell) and Teaching Antifascist Media Literacy: Countering the Politics of Far-Right Media (with Lauren Funk). Rob has a bachelor’s degree in American Studies from UMass Boston, a master’s degree in secondary education from UMass Boston, and a doctorate in curriculum and teaching from Boston University. Prior to pursuing his doctorate, for seven years he worked as a secondary history teacher in the Boston Public Schools, where he also mentored beginning history teachers as a curriculum coach and supervising practitioner.